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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby PJS » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:36 am

Deano58 wrote:Don't agree with de-stabilising the club by sacking Mancini, nor do I think he deserves sacking providing he finishes in the top 3.

I think you have to look at the players. The same players that were playing brilliantly under Mancini early in the season are now letting him down badly. I'm thinking of Silva whose position is seemingly sacrosanct. A magnificent player but he is not at teh races at the moment and should be taken out of the firing line. Similarly, Aguero, at least until his double last night. The heart has also been ripped out of our defence along with the captain and vice captain. All this is par for the course and we should be able to weather it but the timing could not really be worse.

The only good to come out of last night was that we scored a couple of goals and Ageuro was magnificent. Balotelli finally convinced me that we need more than a "character", we need a professional. So, for me, it's goodbye Mario. Hope you make something of yourself, but I can't see it.


Deano - this is not the sake of change for change, nobody is saying sack mancini now (on this forum anyway). He will be assessed on the season as a whole, something his contract will depend on. It just may be we decide to go a different direction with 12mth left on the table. I as much as anyone used that same yardstick with Hughes so it would be hypocritical to argue otherwise.

A top 3 finish and no silverware, in all likelihood is a step back from last season. At best, sideways. Which in the model we are running is failure. Failing to finish in the top 7 for Hughes was a failure, achieving less than last season would logically apply to Mancini.

We are talking hypotheticals. The optimists may be right and we win the title, and then this debate will come to a fore again if in 12mths we have underachieved under Mancini in Europe again. Realistically i see Manure winning by a comfortable margin and a resurgent Arsenal potentially coming close to mowing us down, especially if you are of the view they will beat us (you yourself said that) and assume we get what we have been getting away from home.

10 games is a quarter of a season but we are going the wrong way and mentality is a big part, but to be frank i havent really seen much change in that either over the last few months, and that is another mark against Mancini. I am tiring of his delusional view of how games have played out, and so i hope we avoid the embarrassment of say rumours of Mourinho replacing him circulating before the derby (as it did before Inter played Liverpool in the 2008 CL), and then embarrassingly resign if we lose the title at home.

We always need a plan B.............
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Deano58 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:38 am

Incidentally, Johnson will also be on his way in the summer. Unable to beat a man, unable to cross and a generally surly demeanour. Liverpool's for £20m !
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby chopper » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:59 am

Deano58 wrote:Incidentally, Johnson will also be on his way in the summer. Unable to beat a man, unable to cross and a generally surly demeanour. Liverpool's for £20m !


As long as it doesn`t involve a swap for Downing they can have him Deano :D I did say earlier this season that his contract extension was in part with a view of protecting our investment in the player. Don`t know that we will get 20 but we shouldn`t be taking any less than 15. Lavessi would be a great replacement but that would still leave us short of genuinne wide players....as we have been all season. :D

Anyway, thank fuck we are out of this Mickey Mouse competition
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Blue John » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:18 am

Another glorious defeat for Spurs today! If there's a God, Newcastle will edge both the Camel Eyed Spiv and Chelsea out of a Chimps League place. Chelsea have to play Newcastle at Stamford Bridge yet, and Chelsea also have to go to the Arse. Spuds have nobody of any consequence to play, but in all honesty I'd sacrifice all 3 points at St James Park quite happily if it meant depriving those cockney twats of a CL place!
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby ob1 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:11 pm

It would be amusing if Spuds failed to make the CL and even better if Chelsea failed too but I would never sacrifice City's points for that. I still want us to win all our remaining games.
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Blue John » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:17 pm

ob1 wrote:It would be amusing if Spuds failed to make the CL and even better if Chelsea failed too but I would never sacrifice City's points for that. I still want us to win all our remaining games.


Let it go OB1! It's over! ;)
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Deano58 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:44 am

I disagree John. We need some momentum going into next season. The more wins we can amass the better.
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Blue John » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:45 am

Deano58 wrote:I disagree John. We need some momentum going into next season. The more wins we can amass the better.


I'd prefer to keep those Tottenham bastards down, and then make a bid for Bale, or failing that Lennon, or failing that hope that Barca relieve them of Monkey Features. Surely better to nobble our chief rivals for next season? As for Chelsea, whilst I don't hate them with the same venom I reserve for Spurs, it would be fabulous if they missed out on the CL, because FFP is going to knacker their spending plans, and by common concensus they probably need even more new blood than we do, yet lack any real sellable assets to generate funds with.
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby Eric, Dutch » Thu May 10, 2012 3:22 am

And the deserved winners: Atletico Madrid! This Falcao impresses me more and more. I already thought very highly of him when at Porto. And Diego seems to have found a new live over there. Javi Martinez and Llorente were not at the game and looked far from being an interesting transfertarget. That was different than when they played United, albeit not as strong an opponent as Atletico Madrid.
Thought the final was quite entertaining, lots of passion on the pitch and in the stands, and a surprisingly nice stadium in Bucharest. Pity we weren't there, but could we have lived with the combination of our last three PL-games and a final in European football? No, not now. But hopefully soon. ;)
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Re: EUROPA LEAGUE

Postby chopper » Thu May 10, 2012 5:04 am

Eric, Dutch wrote:And the deserved winners: Atletico Madrid! This Falcao impresses me more and more. I already thought very highly of him when at Porto. And Diego seems to have found a new live over there. Javi Martinez and Llorente were not at the game and looked far from being an interesting transfertarget. That was different than when they played United, albeit not as strong an opponent as Atletico Madrid.
Thought the final was quite entertaining, lots of passion on the pitch and in the stands, and a surprisingly nice stadium in Bucharest. Pity we weren't there, but could we have lived with the combination of our last three PL-games and a final in European football? No, not now. But hopefully soon. ;)


Missed the game Eric, but will catch a replay later tonight. Llorente has impressed me the couple of times I`ve seen him in this comp.....most times he is where you would expect a CF to be and he invariably puts it on target, quick too and no slouch in the air.....he would be an upgrade on Dzeko and or Mario.
I am glad we are out of this one as we simply wouldn`t be in the league position we are if we were involved in the final......and anyway, would we have beat them? Like you say, next season maybe.
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